Thursday, 11 December 2008

Who are these "Police" ?

I should really let Calfy blog this because it is about her friend. I just feel I should warn people what is actually going on.

A friend of hers, a sweet, gentle young man was walking home at 1am. He was only a couple of hundred yards from his home in leafy Barnes (Yes, BARNES) when he noticed a car with blacked out windows crawling along near him. He was alarmed and increased his pace. Three burly men dressed head to toe in black lept out of the car and one said " 'Ear, we wan a wurd wiv you!" Thinking he was about to be set upon by gangsters the lad began to run. The men in black caught him up and threw him to the concrete. At this point they identified themselves as Police. They took him to the station, where he remained for three hours where they queried £60 cash as the most incriminating item he was carrying. The suspicious behaviour that justified their arrest of him was that he ran away from them.

Now, like you, like anyone, this lad would have stopped immediately had they opened the car door and said "Stop, Police!", with their identification held up for him to see. But he thought he was about to be mugged. He WAS in effect mugged. Who are these Police and why are they on our streets unidentifiable as Police, and why are they picking on middle class white kids walking home at night?

Does this remind anyone of Jean Charles de Menezes last moments?

26 comments:

Scrobs said...

Absolutely frightening Lils!

'In yer face coppers', ticking boxes to while away the hours. What on earth did they think they were doing!

All you need to get about seven Plod cars along is have a small accident, and they'll happily close the whole road system for miles around - yet another box to tick...

I reckon Elecs will have something to say about this too.

idle said...

It reminds me of Argentina, Albania, East Germany, Haiti, and Belfast.

The only way the police will regain the trust and support of the law-abidng civilian majority will be when one of those civilians is put in charge of them.

I say we wind the clock back to the days when policemen were never made Commissioners.

hatfield girl said...

This happened to our next door neighbours' son; lovely boy who was the small HGs regular babysitter.

Up against the pavement, what are you doing here... his father couldn't believe his eyes on opening the double outer doors (late at night) to see four police holding their victim, who had fortunately succeeded in persuading them to ring the bell and ask at the house he was approaching.

lilith said...

It is terrifying. I am sorry that it happened to your babysitter Hats too. How often is this happening? Who are these unidentifiable Police and who do they answer to? What are their "targets"? Who are their "targets"? Or these incidents no accident or cock up?

Sweet Cheeks said...

Unexcusable behavior if you ask me! I thought police had to identify themselves before apprehending someone too. Maybe they discovered they could shake up easy prey and get some money without working too hard. Unethical I think...

godless said...

have any other of calfy's friends been tailed..?

Daisy said...

at least yours don't have guns at their side...

Carter said...

>>> I say we wind the clock back to the days when policemen were never made Commissioners. <<<

Traditionally the Metropolitan Police Commissioner was a retired senor army officer.

Colonel Tim Collins would keep them in line.

lilith said...

I am sure the Police are meant to identify themselves. But they seem to have a new policy lately. I thought they were really really busy with gun crime and terrorism investigations but obviously they have time to waste. Other people's time.

Godless, don't make this freakier than it already is, please! Though they have her sim card details so presumably know who she mixes with...I wonder if they are tailing Queen Victoria's great great great grandson, for example...

Daisy, you are right. They don't all have guns. And those that do keep them hidden.

Sir Richard Dannatt would do too, Carter.

Blue Eyes said...

Did they tell him why they stopped him in the first place? I mean did he accidentally match the description of someone they were looking for?

lilith said...

Because "he was running away from them" Blue Eyes. He was wearing a hoodie, if that's illegal on a cold night these days?

Nomad said...

Lilith: Copy your post to Boris Johnson and the Evening Standard and demand some answers. This sort of behavious has to be nipped in the bud before it becomes the norm.

idle said...

Carter, lil: Yes, Dannatt would do. O rf they want someone younger, in keeping with yoof requirements (have you seen 'Sir' Gus O'Donnell, young yobbo Cabinet Secretary? Q Letts gets him today:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1094024/Quentin-Letts-Sir-Gus-kept-sniffing-like-man-jogging.html )

they should get Brig Ed Butler, who has just retired from SAS in high dudgeon. Grandson of Rab. I imagine he'd be perfect.

Tuscan Tony said...

This would be understandable, but only if the pedestrian looked like Calfy and the plodmobile contained 4 Beasts of Camberwick Green.

idle said...

A jury of 12 good men and true have returned a verdict this afternoon which implicitly states that those policemen who gave evidence about the 'warnings' given to JCdeM WERE NOT TO BE BELIEVED.

The stock of the Met has never been so low, I suggest.

lilith said...

Yes, Idle, nobody heard them shout "armed Police" because they didn't identify themselves. Witnesses thought they were seeing a gangland assassination. They wanted to call the Police ffs!

Nomad that is an excellent idea.

TT, get back in your box.

Scrobs said...

The only reason I look up to police is the fact that I'm 5'8" and they have to be near enough
6'0".

When we were burgled, and they had to come and see the scene, the kitchen went dark with the size of their presence.

Didn't catch the bastards though did they...

electro-kevin said...

By the sounds of it he's been arrested on suspicion of something. He should have a documented record of why, who, how ... whatever.

People in the UK don't get tortured in cells or disappear altogether ... yet.

ranter said...

Lot's of questions no doubt.

Was he arrested? You have to be told WHY except where certain conditions apply, one being you are too disorderly or intoxcicated to understand.
Was his detention authorised in a custody suite by a custody sergeant? A custody record will have been opened and the grounds for detention noted, a suspect will also be asked a series of questions regarding their health, their ability to understand the process, whether they want legal advice (always yes) and who do they want informed of their arrest. (The phone call thing is a bit of a myth).
You are entitled to a copy of your custody record on written application to the local police commander (always good to do so via the Commissioner at New Scotland Yard) and if stopped and searched in the street, you are entitled to a copy of the form used to record it THERE and THEN -if you haven't had yer collar felt. If you have then you should get the copy on your release.

Was he fingerprinted, photographed and DNA'd?

Or did he 'voluntarily attend the police station with the officers to clear up their suspicions? That would be a bit 'moody' on the officers part.

Is he complaining? I would if the circumstances are as described.

For anyone caight up in a modern Kafkaesque nightmare can I refer you to the excellent NIGHTJACK blog and his 'Survival Guide for Decent Folk' posting:

http://nightjack.wordpress.com/2008/07/24/a-survival-guide-for-decent-folk/

From the description of the car and vehicle this was a 'Q' Car, a concept only fairly recently re-introduced to the Met and now other forces in response to the growing robbery problem, teaming a detective a pursuit trained driver and a.n. other police officer as the crew of a high performance unmarked response vehicle.

I'm sure their accounts will differ in one or two respects from the 'suspect's'.

I'm also sure that the fact that he was released only 3 hours later was an indication that the custody officer realized he had a pile of pooh waiting to be thrown at a fan. Most custody suites at that time of the morning are heaving and custody officers don't need things like this and it would be intyeresting to see what was recorded on the custody log.

lilith said...

Hugely helpful comment Ranter. No, he wasn't DNA'd or fingerprinted, or photographed. He was questioned and bullied about the £60 in his pocket. I am sure the custody record will make interesting reading.

They announced themselves as "undercover" police to the back of his head, face in the pavement.

idle said...

What colour was this friend, lil?

lilith said...

White, Idle.

ranter said...

To be honest I think he was de-arrested prior to going through the prints/photo/DNA which should be done immediately on arrival at a police station after initial reception procedures. 'Q' Car crews are plain clothes officers, one detective and the other two normally in uniform. As I said they are there primarily for Street Robberies. Quite why £60 exercised them so much, unless they thought he'd just robbed someone. They should have given a reason for the stop and search (or in this case stop and assault) worth pursuing to get those forms I mentioned and see what is what. Alas Hendon's finest are not what they were.

lilith said...

Right, Ranter. I think they just wanted to shake him up a bit. Why else would they have taken him in when they could have got him to empty his pockets in the street and given him a form? Chancers.

Philipa said...

We can no longer trust the establishement and increasingly have to protect ourselves from them. Does this not remind you of a totalitarian state?

We have to document our every word and action to defend ourselves from those who watch us and in fact are in our employ. Or were.

Laban said...

The same thing happened to me twenty years back in South Lambeth Road - a car pulled in and four plain-clothes jumped me. I was never so relieved in my life as when they said they were police - I thought I was going to be beaten up or worse. Arrested, station, searched, released.

In hindsight, I think it must have had something to do with the people in the house I'd just left.