strudles, Brown also pledged to be "prudent" yet still managed to steal 5 billion A YEAR from our pensions. It is pure waffle, and an attempt to deflect public outrage. You can't impose "stop and interrogate" on the public AND safeguard our liberties. You can't lock people up without charge AND safeguard civil liberties. Its an OXYMORON.
I see what you mean but I honestly think I'd rather put up with a little more restrictions and surveillance than risk another terror attack on London (or even worse, where I live). I don't actually regard the security of me and my family as a loss of civil liberty - I see it more of a freedom.
I am sorry Strudles but I cannot agree with Bliar's line "Security is the Greatest Freedom". It isn't. These measures WILL NOT improve the safety of you and your family. It will just mean that The State will know more about you.
But lilith, I don't MIND if the State knows more about me! I have nothing to hide, I'm a god-fearing and law-abiding citizen!
It is not hard to imagine that knowing something about me could actually be helpful one day (blood group after a road accident, to suggest a trivial example).
But that is not to say that I disagree with everything you write :-)
Well, I am not scared of God, but I am law abiding. And I don't think the State can be trusted to run a secure database. So they won't be the only ones the information is available to. How about some cctv in your bedroom Strudles, if you don't value your privacy?
We were getting bombed to buggery by the IRA and didn't have this. Don't you think they are making a bigger thing of it than it really is ? Perhaps just an excuse to erode liberty. The price of freedom has always been the willingness to risk life - alas I doubt these powers will make us any safer.
This is precisely what I think E-K. Precisely. GCHQ is probably following my blog already. It's fucking stupid but if you mention cannabis or Mullahs or anything like that your correspondence gets intruded upon. My daughter calls me "Mullah". Don't ask me why but it must confuse the hell out of them every time she texts me...
I honestly can't think of anything legal that I can't do now that I couldn't do 10 years ago. I think all this "loss of liberty" baloney is simply a scaremongering red herring. I can't imagine that any other government would or could do anything else, it is all electorate-driven. It is the people who want cameras to make their districts safer. Long live the revolution!
Lilith, I now think strudles is neither The Hitch nor Ed Balls - it surely must be the caravan-dwelling-redistributionist-idiot Hodge, in persone, live and direct writing from some dung-scented campsite in West Scotland.
would we need any of this if the country had listened to enoch powell? I think not. of course voting for blair three times has not helped. As the saying goes; Con me once shame on you. Con me again shame on me. Con me thrice I deserve it.
I just made the last line up of course. makes me pleased to be in NZ, all I have to worry about is death by taxes from our version of new labour.
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Why is it bullshit? A pledge is a pledge.
strudles, Brown also pledged to be "prudent" yet still managed to steal 5 billion A YEAR from our pensions. It is pure waffle, and an attempt to deflect public outrage. You can't impose "stop and interrogate" on the public AND safeguard our liberties. You can't lock people up without charge AND safeguard civil liberties. Its an OXYMORON.
I see what you mean but I honestly think I'd rather put up with a little more restrictions and surveillance than risk another terror attack on London (or even worse, where I live). I don't actually regard the security of me and my family as a loss of civil liberty - I see it more of a freedom.
I am sorry Strudles but I cannot agree with Bliar's line "Security is the Greatest Freedom". It isn't. These measures WILL NOT improve the safety of you and your family. It will just mean that The State will know more about you.
We are not servants of the State. They serve US.
But lilith, I don't MIND if the State knows more about me! I have nothing to hide, I'm a god-fearing and law-abiding citizen!
It is not hard to imagine that knowing something about me could actually be helpful one day (blood group after a road accident, to suggest a trivial example).
But that is not to say that I disagree with everything you write :-)
Well, I am not scared of God, but I am law abiding. And I don't think the State can be trusted to run a secure database. So they won't be the only ones the information is available to. How about some cctv in your bedroom Strudles, if you don't value your privacy?
Strudles, you are sleepwalking.
I think Strudles is actually Ed Balls, Lilith. Or else it's The Hitch winding you up!
Yes TT, I worked that one out when I sobered up! I think it may even be Modo, Man of Infinate Personalities.
We were getting bombed to buggery by the IRA and didn't have this. Don't you think they are making a bigger thing of it than it really is ? Perhaps just an excuse to erode liberty. The price of freedom has always been the willingness to risk life - alas I doubt these powers will make us any safer.
This is precisely what I think E-K. Precisely. GCHQ is probably following my blog already. It's fucking stupid but if you mention cannabis or Mullahs or anything like that your correspondence gets intruded upon. My daughter calls me "Mullah". Don't ask me why but it must confuse the hell out of them every time she texts me...
I honestly can't think of anything legal that I can't do now that I couldn't do 10 years ago. I think all this "loss of liberty" baloney is simply a scaremongering red herring. I can't imagine that any other government would or could do anything else, it is all electorate-driven. It is the people who want cameras to make their districts safer. Long live the revolution!
Studles, you are a perfect Blairite/Brownite. If only there were 60 million of you NuLabour would be set!
You mis-judge me Lilith, I'm actually a Campbellite :-)
Well yes Strudles, you certainly are! Should I call you Ali?
LOL! I'd prefer it if you'd just call me Strudles!
Lilith, I now think strudles is neither The Hitch nor Ed Balls - it surely must be the caravan-dwelling-redistributionist-idiot Hodge, in persone, live and direct writing from some dung-scented campsite in West Scotland.
It's pretty shocking TT.
would we need any of this if the country had listened to enoch powell?
I think not.
of course voting for blair three times has not helped.
As the saying goes;
Con me once shame on you.
Con me again shame on me.
Con me thrice I deserve it.
I just made the last line up of course. makes me pleased to be in NZ, all I have to worry about is death by taxes from our version of new labour.
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